More on the MSF and motorcycle safety

Following is a post made by Rusty on Bruce and Rays Forum that can be found here Here:

Below is an excerpt from the MSF frontpage. Assumptions? Florida is using assumptions as the basis upon which to mandate a law that requires citizens to take a privately owned for profit course, that is not readily available, nor required to become readily available, in order to ride a motorcycle? Is Fidel Castro the governor of that state?

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/pedbimot/motorcycle/00-NHT-212-motorcycle/human17-19.html
(Although the above link say's NHTSA.dot interestingly enough it take you to the Motorcycle $afety Foundation Page. How is NHTSA , a non profit governmental agency related  to the M$F, a front group for the motorcycle industry?)


"There is no evaluation of rider education and training effectiveness or measures to determine if program effectiveness has been compromised due to the lack of resources. It is assumed, yet unknown, that the current programs are teaching necessary skills to survive in traffic."

Now don't you feel comfortable. In Florida Rider Training course fees are all over the map and you get to wait for how long before you can get into one?  Only be told by the people that produce the program the STATE requires you to take is, "assuming" but "does not know" if the programs are,

"teaching necessary skills to survive in traffic."

Well hell, ain't that a damn bargain. Here let me sell you something that just might be nothing!

So I did a little search to see how invasive the MSF is becoming and arrived at the following (Note Indiana is interesting) and posted it also on the forum:



As of June 2008 "Mandatory training for all ages exist in Florida, Rhode Island and Maine"

However

"motorcyclists in at least 33 states may have licensing tests waived for completion of a rider training course"
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS144185 18-Jun-2008 PRN20080618

The Following states require the Basic Rider Course for varying ages under 21. NOTE: ABATE of Indiana gets the prize for cutting out the competition while insuring increased membership?

All info below other than that from the ABATE of Indiana site comes from http://www.dmv.org/

Delaware
drivers under 18 are required to take the course.

Idaho
Successfully completed a state-approved, motorcycle-rider training course (a recommendation for all riders and a requirement for those younger than 21)

Illinois
Teens 16 and 17 years old can obtain a motorcycle license by following this process:

1. Apply for a learner's permit (also known as an instructional permit) for a conventional license.
2. Attend and complete a driver education course at school.
3. Apply for a 12-month motorcycle learner's permit.
4. Study the Motorcycle Manual and the Rules of the Road.
5. Enroll in the 20-hour Illinois Department of Transportation (IDOT) Motorcycle Rider Course. This course is free. Find out more by calling IDOT's Motorcycle Safety Project at (800) 892-9607 or (800) 642-9589.
6. Hold your learner's permit for at least three months. During this time, you are allowed to ride the motorcycle only in daylight hours while supervised by a qualified motorcyclist.
7.Pass the motorcycle road test at any local Secretary of State driver services office.

Indiana
All motorcycle training and testing in the state goes through ABATE of Indiana (ABATE). For a listing of training schedules, testing locations and times, and other information, just visit their site, or call them at (800) 232-2283

If You Don't Have a License If you fall under this category and are 15 or older, you can still get a motorcycle license.

The first thing you should do is enroll in the safety course offered through ABATE. The cost of the course is $75. Then, bring your enrollment card to any license agency for a learner's permit.
http://www.dmv.org/in-indiana/motorcycle-license.php

Basic Rider Course is $50 for ABATE members (in-state residents) and $75 non-members (includes refundable* one-year ABATE membership). *Non-ABATE members may request (in writing to the ABATE office) a refund of their $25 non-member registration fee within 2 weeks of completion of course. http://www.abateonline.org/ABATE.aspx?PID=265

Maryland
Applicants under 18, however, need to enroll in and successfully complete the state's Motorcycle Safety Program.

Michigan
requires younger riders (under 18) and riders who have failed the road skills test twice to take part in a safety course before they can earn a motorcycle endorsement.

Minnesota
If you are younger than 18, you must present a certificate of enrollment in an approved motorcycle training course and proof of completion of required class instruction.

Missouri
You must be 15 1/2 years of age (15 years and 182 days) to apply for a motorcycle instruction permit. This permit will only be issued if you have successfully completed an approved motorcycle rider training course (MRTC). You must also pass the Class F and Class M written, vision and road sign tests, and have the written consent of your parent or legal guardian if you're a minor.

Over 16 does not have to take the course

New Mexico
if you are under 18 you will need to sign up for a course if you want to ride any type of motorized cycle on public roads. You may hobnob around the local trails on an ATV or minibike without being trained or licensed, but if you want to hit the road with some speed you will need to seek out a place that offers an MSF Basic RiderCourse.

Ohio
For those under 18, you don't have a choice. You must take the Motorcycle Ohio Basic Rider Course. If you pass it, you'll need to bring proof that you successfully completed it as well as proof that you've completed a driver's education course to an exam station, where you will also need to pass the road test.

Oregon
The basic course is required for motorcycle endorsement applicants younger than 21 years of age. More information on the beginning or experienced rider course and Team Oregon motorcycle safety program, fees and schedule is available on the Team Oregon Web site or by calling (800) 545-9944.

Note: this is not an MSF curriculum. It is Team Oregon who waged a court battle with MSF

Texas
Under 18 The very first step to get a Class M motorycle license if you're under 18 is to obtain an instruction permit. You must be 15 years old to get a permit. Once you have that in hand, you will have to complete a driver education course and a motorcycle safety course. Both of these must be operated by approved providers, and completion forms must be submitted.

Wisconsin
Provide proof of enrollment or completion of a Basic Motorcycle Training CourseAdd to Technorati Favorites

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