More on Read light Camera's: Georgia fixes the problem and creates a problem, Norcross Chief get A in creativity

If you have ever needed further proof that municipalities are more interested in creating revenue than saving lives and that the ountry has lost sight of the definition of sanity look no furhter:


From the Newspaper.com with our comments (of course):


Georgia: Longer Yellows Force City to End Red Light Camera Program
New Georgia law forces longer yellow times that made red light cameras unprofitable in Norcross.

Norcross and Lasercraft logosThe Norcross, Georgia City Council voted Monday to end its relationship with LaserCraft Inc., a red light camera company whose US headquarters lies just three miles down the road from city hall. LaserCraft's troubles began last year when the Georgia General Assembly enacted a law requiring the yellow signal warning time at any intersection equipped with a red light camera be increased by one second over the minimum national standard. City documents show that once the law took effect, the accident and red light violation problem in Norcross virtually disappeared.


WHAT???? Well how can that possibly be one might ask? Unless of course you are one of the many municipal councilmen/women across the country that have been prostituting their souls to betray there citizens in order to feed at the pig trough provided by the Red light camera companies.
"With House Bill 77 we are now required to add one second to that... yellow light time," Norcross Police Chief Dallas Stidd wrote in a memo to the city council. "We along with other jurisdictions have seen a significant decrease in citations. This will cause a shortfall in our budget for this program."

Whoops, we can see it coming can't we??? Decrease in citations must mean decrease in red light running which must mean fewer accidents and lives lost as a result of success at addressing red light running which hurts the budget????.  That's what I read. What did you read?
A pair of red light cameras operated throughout 2008 with the shorter yellow time, allowing LaserCraft to mail an average of fifteen tickets per day on the city's behalf. After the yellow was lengthened on January 1, 2009, that figure dropped eighty percent to just three tickets per day -- with devastating effect on the program's bottom line. In 2008, motorists paid $259,083 in citations. According to Stidd's calculations, the longer yellow meant the automated ticketing program would lose $145,000 in 2009.


"The addition of one second has made a significant reduction in red light violations," Stidd wrote. "We have realized a reduction in accidents at the two intersections."

O.K. this was the goal wasn't it??? Or was it the money lost? Hmmmmm let us see.......
According to a Texas Transportation Institute study, the reduction in accidents and violations from an additional second of yellow was to be expected (view study). This is so because red light cameras do not typically issue very many tickets to blatant red light runners. The vast majority of "violations" happen when drivers misjudge the end of the yellow light by less than 0.25 seconds -- literally the blink of an eye (view TTI chart). According to a report by the California State Auditor, nearly 80 percent of that state's tickets were issued for violations that took place less than one second into the red. By adding the second back into the yellow, that 80 percent disappeared in Norcross.

Oh damn, sum bitches are using "Science" now. That's gonna screw the Georgia boys up big time (I would mention the Florida municipalities that use red light cameras. But the Florida Legislature has not yet figured out the difference between science and "pissing in the wind."   This is demonstrated by their continued efforts to exempt hands free use of cell phones from any legislation addressing use of cell phones and driving (see here, here, and here).  For the past couple of years the Florida legislature has had the opportunity to choose between stupid and fact.  Stupid has won every time, so we can't break to hard on the Georgia boys.


The extra second also brings yellow signal times closer to those that would be appropriate under the 1976 Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE) standard. Around the time transportation officials began experimenting with photo enforcement, ITE began to change the timing formula so that it would consistently produce shorter yellows. As data from Fairfax County, Virginia show, the benefit of reversing these changes and lengthening yellows does not diminish over time.


Stidd's work was not done, however. He saw the loss of the Norcross red light camera program as an opportunity to expand his police department.


"Traffic safety and enforcement go hand in hand, being one of the highest priorities for the city," Stidd wrote. "However, I believe we can continue to accomplish this objective without losing money, especially in these difficult times.... I have compiled some traffic statistics and have come to a conservative number of projected revenue of the additional two traffic officers. The monthly revenue that could be realized is $11,578.00 or $602,056.00 yearly (see attached estimated weekly fines)."


In an attachment, Stidd calculates how much revenue each officer would be expected to bring in on a weekly basis from twelve categories of traffic ticket, ranging from driving with expired tags and speeding to driving under the influence of alcohol (DUI) (view ticket quota). These numbers are very important to Norcross, as traffic tickets account for one-fifth of the city's entire budget.


"Fines and Forfeitures are 21 percent ($2.4 million) of the revenue," the fiscal 2008 budget stated. "Revenue from fines and forfeitures has been projected by trend analysis and expert consensus. There is a six percent increase over 2007. The increase is due to the Public Safety Department installation of an additional red light camera. Although the additional camera generates additional revenue, its main purpose is to act as a traffic safety device."

Ummmm were thinking maybe that last sentence was a little disingenuous. Especially when you consider the, we must admit admirable, creativity with which Stid can turn the loss of red light cameras into gain of police officers???? But hey we understand. He is a police chief,  it is his job to figure out how to get more "police money". And if you can't get TARP  monies then well hell invent a crime wave or something.  But hang on cause we are saving the  best for last.......



Losing the Norcross contract is an embarrassing blow to LaserCraft, which is owned by the UK firm Public Safety Equipment Ltd. When the Australian photo enforcement company Redflex Traffic Systems similarly lost its contract to operate red light cameras in Scottsdale, Arizona -- home base for its US operations -- it packed up and moved to Phoenix.


A copy of the police chief's memo is available in a 650k PDF file at the source link below.


Article Excerpt:
Excerpt from House Bill 77 which was signed into law on May 14, 2008:

40-14-22. The duration of the yellow or red light of any traffic-control device at which a traffic-control signal monitoring device is installed shall not be decreased prior to the installation of a device or during the time for which the device is operated. The Department of Transportation shall establish minimal yellow light change interval times for traffic-control devices at intersections where a traffic-control signal monitoring device is utilized. The minimal yellow light change interval time shall be established in accordance with nationally recognized engineering standards, and any such established time shall not be less than the recognized national standard plus one additional second.... This Act shall become effective December 31, 2008.
Source: PDF File Agenda File Number: 08-1185 (Norcross, Georgia City Council, 3/2/2009)

O.K. Now, that's the end of the little article, right?. Ah ha, so you might think. Silly us, we opened up that little ADOBE  thingy and found the best part of the whole damn story. From page 3:


"The traffic unit at present has one officer and two K9 units, the K9 main focus is support of the patrol division."
Now I don't much care how or what I say in reference to critters but every time I mention cats or dogs I get e-mail. And I will still contend that kitties in the middle of the road are road hazards no matter how much I love my own kitty, here kitty kitty, want a 9 volt battery?  Anyway I digress, but Norcross has 37 sworn officers to cover 4.5 square miles.  It is close to equal with the U.S. average of cop per one thousand residents yet it's crime rate is more than double the U.S. average per capita (2003-2006)


It does however have fewer traffic fatalities on average than the rest of the state of Georgia except when it comes to pedestrians. They did kill one more pedestrian on average.


We did find listings for 8 donut shops in Norcross. Which comes to what, a little less than 2 donut shops per sq. mile? Are we beginning to see a pattern here? See we can be just as creative with facts and figures as the chief can.
Gwinnett county, home of Norcross,  had a lower rate of deaths caused by cancer than the state of Georgia as a whole.


O.k. now nobody is ever going to accuse us of being mathematically adept  but our cypherin arrives at the followin conclusions:

1. The one traffic cop and the two doggies are bustin ass and doin a bang-up job.
2. The 36 other cops are fallin down on the job and need to be replaced with cameras
3. There are two many damn donut shops in Norcross
4. Donuts prevent cancer


See Chief, we can play too!Add to Technorati Favorites

The $1,151 motorcycle tag ticket and why we don't go to Daytona,

for the same reason we do not go to Mrytle Beach! Why give money to those who would take it graciously with the one hand and then screw you with the other?

Below we are posting, in it's entirety, an article from the March 4th edition of the (Daytona) New-Journal on line. We have included all comments up to this time of posting.

We do this for two reasons:

A. In it's absurdity it is actually funny. How is it absurd? Let me count just a couple ways:

1.  It was obviously not meant to be an in-depth piece of reporting in that it spent little time on the law that resulted in the ticket being issued. The authority it cites as "shocked",( "a motorcyclists advocacy group, was shocked by the new state law that took effect in the summer, said Mike Price, state legislative director for ABATE of Florida.") was, in part, responsible for the passage of the law it claims to be "shocked" at (see any number of posts that can be found here).  Which is why, if you have followed this site for any period of time, you may have noted a tad of cynicism when it comes to "news" from "newspapers."
2.  A large number of the comments to the story clearly demonstrate how it is that "newspapers" can get away with a minimalist  reporting, which brings us to B.

B. The prejudice and ignorance of a number of the comment's to the article is a perfect illustration why and how this country has got into the shape that it is in. To quote one commenter: "A better suggestion would be to follow the law and not get the ticket.....it was highly publicized last year when it was passed."

I'm not sure that the founders of a country that rejected taxation without representation would agree with that reasoning. Especially when you consider that in the state of Florida it is now a more serious infraction of law to have a vertical tag than it is to negligently KILL A BIKER????
Our failure to be ever vigilant in favor of apathetic selfishness has led us down the path of insanities.

“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few”

 Wendell Phillips  (American Abolitionist and Orator whose eloquence helped fire the antislavery cause during the period leading up to the American Civil War. 1811-1884)

So here is the article:

 
March 04, 2009
Vertical tag law costs unsuspecting biker



Antonio Gonzales rode his customized Harley-Davidson from New Mexico to Bike Week, and then his wallet got a painful welcome from a Flagler Beach police officer -- a $1,151 citation for having his bike's license plate mounted vertically on a saddle bag.

"I rode all the way out here and all I have is 700 bucks," Gonzales said. "Then I get a $1,151 ticket."

Many bikers who ride customized motorcycles mount their plates vertically. ABATE, a motorcyclists advocacy group, was shocked by the new state law that took effect in the summer, said Mike Price, state legislative director for ABATE of Florida.

Price said the problem was "a very poorly written law" meant to target riders who intentionally conceal their plates, including using devices to flip the plates up out of sight. But instead it also snares people who simply mount the plates vertically, Price said.

He said ABATE has contacted the law's originators, Rep. Carlos Lopez-Cantera, a Republican from Miami, and Sen. Rudy Garcia, a Republican from Hialeah. "Of course, they realized the error in the wording of the new law and it is our understanding that this law will be corrected during this next legislative session," Price said.

Lopez-Cantera and Garcia could not be reached Tuesday, the opening day of the session.
Price recommends that motorcyclists take the issue to court and ask to be fined under an already existing law against vertical plates, which calls for only about a $60 fine.

The Volusia County Sheriff's Office is only issuing $91 fines for improper display of vertical plates, spokesman Brandon Haught said. He said deputies understand the $1,151 fine has to do more with concealment than improper display.

Daytona Beach police have written three or four of the $1,151 citations, a spokesman said.
Flagler Beach Police Chief Dan Cody said he thought the fine was excessive, but he added his department has cited three or four bikers with the big fine.

"Myself, I'd suggest to all these people to go to court and let the judge decide," Cody said. "To me, it's ridiculous."

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Displaying #1 to #20 of 37 comments from other readers:

#1 peter - Daytona - 3/4/2009 4:00:00 AM
$1,151 pay or else! Sounds like the healthcare system in america. Pay what we want or you suffer.

#2 tiger69 - DeBary. - 3/4/2009 5:20:00 AM
REPLY TO #1: Unfortunately, when they bundle laws, there's always 1 or 2 that don't make any sense at all. The article even says, they realized it right after it was passed. Should have done something about it right away. Those laws are aimed at crotch rockets.

#3 Cletius - The Freezer State - 3/4/2009 7:51:00 AM
I think I'll take my plate on my car and mount it vertically and see what happens! Why do Bikers think they have a right to do this?

#4 Me - Yonder - 3/4/2009 8:22:00 AM
REPLY TO #3:You're a Dumb*** go back under the rock you crawl out from under every day!

#5 really - USA - 3/4/2009 8:28:00 AM
Just another way for the cops to make money. They don't sell food or beer and still want your money. How else should they get it? Don't forget that they have the gun and badge so they are always right, just ask one.

#6 mao - oviedo,fl - 3/4/2009 8:40:00 AM
gee i wonder why i stay away from volusia & flagler during bike week. those infamous bike week revenue tickets.

#7 IceQueen - Rink - 3/4/2009 9:03:00 AM
REPLY TO #5: What a dumb comment. Do you really think the cops are getting that money? I bet you rode the short bus in school.

#8 IceQueen - Rink - 3/4/2009 9:04:00 AM
I think it's ridiculous that the biker was given a ticket for that amount of money. I bet if he weren't Hispanic he'd have gotten the cheaper ticket.

#9 Bruce - Port Orange - 3/4/2009 9:13:00 AM
I heard about this last week and was told it was meant for those riders who conceal their plates and run thru epass without paying. when i lived in NY and rode my bike to work in lower Manhattan some bikers would remove their plates while parked in an illegal place like a sidewalk to avoid a ticket. Then some individual with some influence made it an issue and the police went on a campaign for two years towing ANYTHING they thought wasn't parked to their liking. Needless to say one day my bike as well as a dozen or more were towed from the same spot. In a way i was glad to see all of them gone when i got out of work, the other option would have been someone stole it. Lost a couple of hours at the impound lot and $275. My disc lock was still in place, cover neatly folded and not a mark. Those with the so called NY kryptonite square link chain were compromised. Never rode to work again, not worth the hassle.

#10 Biker - Port Orange - 3/4/2009 9:15:00 AM
Gee, I think the biker should be commended on the fact that he was sober! How many people in cars going to see the bikes have been drinking? and to the Dou***bag who wants to mount the tag vertical on their car, you have a lot more space on a car to mount a tag, that is why the state makes bike tags smaller in the first place you idiot.....

#11 Cletius - The Freezer State - 3/4/2009 9:47:00 AM
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#12 Cletius - The Freezer State - 3/4/2009 9:52:00 AM
REPLY TO #9:  They catch you in the UK without a plate or MOT on a motorcycle, they confiscate the motorcycle and crush it! So what you all complaining about!

#13 Cletius - The Freezer State - 3/4/2009 9:56:00 AM
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#14 Cletius - The Freezer State - 3/4/2009 10:02:00 AM
Reply to #8 IceQueen: I was up North once... When I told this biker I was from Daytona he replied, "I was down there for Bike Week in '96, unloaded the straight pipe Harley from the trailer and revved it up, did a burnout down A1A and right away got a ticket for 1,500 dollars. I'm never going back to Daytona!" he said... YANKEE FOOL! ha ha

#15 Car T - Greenwater Vermont - 3/4/2009 10:06:00 AM
to all concerned try holding a beach ball under water. This is all $ we get popped for a vertical tag on a Harley. According to economy of scale. I would think $6,000 fine and confiscation of M/C to be sold in one week. Is what we will be looking at in a few more Bike weeks. The private banks don't trust US. Guess I better put a tag cover on like the 1950's and see what happens in New Mexico. Oh so enchanting this great LBJ society. However New Mexico is the New Mexico I would never believe. Wow Protesting the loss of my guns country and way of life. Every promise America has is do able. Enforce NAFTA. INVADE MEXICO NOW TAKE THERE GUNS. I got my Canadian friends all around ready to fight em. Alcan Highway All The WAY to tip of South America. Cleared by universal soldiers holding dreams of peace through united strength. Nixon poor fella I met him shook his hand. For what! All we got was a screwy system for war with South America.

#16 hogdaddy - Biloxi - 3/4/2009 10:09:00 AM
Reply to #8 IceQueen: I think the +$1K fine is a bit much...but we are just getting the hispanic biker's side of the story...perhaps he had an attitude, or got lippy with the cop....either way...he was in violation of the law...however retarded it is.

#17 Cletius - The Freezer State - 3/4/2009 10:26:00 AM
Reply to #15 Car T: Open the window and let some oxygen into your cabin, the wood burn'in stove fumes are getting to ya!

#18 Cletius - The Freezer State - 3/4/2009 10:27:00 AM
Reply to #16 hogdaddy: That's 1 grand that Western Union ain't gonna get!... :))

#19 FlaNativ - Volusia - 3/4/2009 10:42:00 AM
Reply to #16 hogdaddy: Yea the fine is ridiculous,especially since there was already a statute on the books about mounting a license plate vertically.I notice that ABATE,the great defender of motorcyclist rights,is now contacting the writer of this bill.I wonder where they were when it was first in committee and being voted on? Guess their president/lobbyist was too busy getting free meals and drinks and other gratuities from members of the Florida Legislature to mount a protest of this idiotic law. The biker could have been given a warning by the Flagler Beach Cop but I suspect he let his mouth overload his brain or there is an unwritten memo that if you are from out of the area you get a ticket in Flagler Beach. Either way,looks like ABATE dropped the ball again.

#20 whitie - Volusia - 3/4/2009 11:46:00 AM
Reply to #8 IceQueen: Hey Smartazz. It was the Hispanics that passed the law. Read the artical. I'm sure he will contact them and have it overturned. If the ticket was given to a white person, the hispanic lawmakers would make the white guy pay it.
 
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#21 records - daytona beach - 3/4/2009 12:28:00 PM
Reply to #5 really: Why blame the cops for the law being written? Law Enforcement has no control over how the elected officials set the fines for citations. If you work at McDonalds, you would be upset if customers accuesed you personally of raising prices, when it was something done over your head. A better suggestion would be to follow the law and not get the ticket.....it was highly publicized last year when it was passed.

#22 tired - earth - 3/4/2009 1:42:00 PM
Reply to #3 Cletius: maybe you should wait until your brain thaws out to reply to articles,unless it already is and in that case we are in trouble.

#23 IceQueen - Rink - 3/4/2009 1:55:00 PM
Reply to #20 whitie: I am reporting your sorry self as offensive.

#24 rickann - Jacksonville, Fl - 3/4/2009 5:03:00 PM
Reply to #16 hogdaddy: i met the "hispanic guy" and he is a very nice young man too bad everyone is thinking hes the one whos wrong, he came here to spend his money in your town and now he has a big fine to pay on top of it too bad for your economy pretty soon noone will be coming to play in daytona

#25 hammer - Florida - 3/4/2009 7:26:00 PM
Go to court and let the judge decide! This is laughable. They know that tourists don't stay in town for 30 days to appear in court, that's why they (police) go crazy with these citations. Common sense goes out the window, and officers who are having a bad day take it out on citizens or tourists (yes the bikers are tourists).

#26 Dragon - Upstate Florida - 3/4/2009 8:02:00 PM
Reply to #19 FlaNativ: Hogdaddy said: "I wonder where they (ABATE) were when it was first in committee and being voted on? Guess their president/lobbyist was too busy getting free meals and drinks and other gratuities from members of the Florida Legislature to mount a protest of this idiotic law." In the interest of accurate reporting of all sides and true background and history of an issue or enactment....(this is also being emailed the news story author) the real story of ABATE's history with this new bill/law of last year has been clearly documented. (President/lobbyist) Doc Reichenbach told FL ABATE membership repeatedly "This bill is Dead" and Not to contact lawmakers. But here you see the result. Obviously links are prohibited here but a complete chronology proving the above statement can be found by entering this phrase (exactly) into the Google search form: and-so-now-crying-starts-hb137-you-got That is not a "web link". There, with the first info returned, you will find (R.I.P. Mr. Paul Harvey) "the Rest of the Story".


#27 pepperss - Jensen Beach Florida - 3/4/2009 8:11:00 PM
Can't believe that they can't find other tings to do.If its leagl and current whats the big deal.I live in Florida and this isn"t right

#28 Here2sta - Daytona Beach - 3/4/2009 8:38:00 PM
They need to hand these things out left and right. Maybe these bikers will get the hint and stay out of daytona

#29 Flarider - Florida - 3/4/2009 9:51:00 PM
Reply to #26 Dragon: They apparently thought the law would be applied only to sportbike owners. According to the state website memo dated 9/16/2008: "Remember that the original intent of this law was geared to control a segment of the motorcycle community that blatantly violates laws and places the public in danger."

#30 rickann - Jacksonville, Fl - 3/4/2009 11:06:00 PM
Reply to #28 Here2sta: theyre already out of daytona its all moving to ormand or dont u pay attention

#31 roy - daytona - 3/5/2009 7:47:00 AM
$1,151 dollars for an inproper tag huh...I thought price gouging was illegal in the state of fl. I'd be sueing daytona !

#32 Namyl - Port Orange - 3/5/2009 8:16:00 AM
Reply to #28 Here2sta: Please #28 Think before you write, Daytona needs all the tourism they can get. you may be here to stay, how would you like a ghost town?

#33 va biker - Suffolk, VA - 3/5/2009 11:15:00 AM
I have a horizontally mounted tag bracket that flips closed for clearence. I parked on Main Street yesterday and flipped it closed to keep from hitting another bike (because it's mounted horizontally it sticks out alot further than if vertical). A bicycle officer came up beside me and asked about the tag, I showed him how it worked and why I had it closed. He asked me to pay closer attention and wished me a good day. So don't bash all officers here. There are still a few out here that use common sense and descretion. About that $1151 fine....that's kind of like getting the death penalty for petit larceny isn't it? Punishment doesn't fit the violation. Hopefully someone will revisit that and make sure the code is enforced the way it was written. He's from NM, how's he supposed to come back to court?

#34 rc - St. Marks, Florida - 3/5/2009 11:31:00 AM
Reply to #29 Flarider: It would seem that ABATE of Florida should have known the exact implications of this law since Lopez-Canterra's office reported on 10-11-07 their (ABATE's) $50,000 a year lobbyist was working with them on HB 137. Which may be why as early as 10-9-07 the ABATE president and lobbyist was asking people to stop writing their legislators about this bill, "that it was dead"! ABATE of Florida's mission statement (which is no longer the original mission statement)references "all Bikers" and does not differentiate between "sport bikers" and "other" bikers. ABATE of Florida's original mission statement would have nothing to do with words such as "control" as it was known as "A Brotherhood Against Totalitarian Enactments." Discounting the differences between Sport bikers and "other Bikers" consider this. The fine for having a vertical tag on your motorcycle is now more expensive than the fine a "cager" gets for negligently killing a motorcyclist! However as much as I would like to lay the blame for the current situation at ABATE's feet I can't. A number of sites and independent activists begged bikers last session to show up to fight against these bills while ABATE of Florida's less than one percent of the Florida biker population begged people to shut up. Unfortunately it would appear that the public political apathy that has led to our countries current state transcends to the "Biker" population also. rc Big Bend Bikers For Freedom B.O.L.T. (Bikers of Lessor Tolerance)

#35 Roger - Daytona Beach, FL - 3/5/2009 11:48:00 AM
Barney Fife in action. $1151 makes sense to whom? Obamica sux.

#36 Cletius - Siren City - 3/5/2009 12:07:00 PM
Reply to #31 roy: Another dumb azzzz bikie or a stoopid lost azzz tooorist... "Flagler Beach police officer" thinks Flagler Beach is in Daytona.

#37 Hildy - Magnolia, Delaware - 3/5/2009 1:10:00 PM
This is total BS. We have legislators who are suppose to be representing the people of this country. Instead they are passing laws on issues as they view them personally. What is the difference if a motorcycle tag is mounted horizontaly or vertically on a bike? Does a fine make the issue better? NO! This is just a continuation on the erosion of a lifestyle that others choose to discriminate against. Vertical tags, loud pipes, patches on jackets, helmets, group activities, handle bar heigths and the list goes on and on. Society has no problem coming to the motorcycling community when they want some precious dollars raised for a charity but heaven help us if the motorcycling community should try and become part of society. It is time to stop feeding the hands that bite us and take care of the biking community. If Daytona wants $1,000 fines then go some place else and spend your hard earned dollars where they will be appreciated. Bikers it is time to start taking care of bikers.

#38 brmiller - ormond beach florida - 3/5/2009 1:55:00 PM
Reply to #27 pepperss: It is with great sadness that I read your chosen handle. Why, oh why, did you come to this area, if you have no intention of offering support to the economic base here, which just happens to be tourism? I would seriously doubt that your residency predates Bike Week (January 14, 1937!!). How I do wish they'd exempt your property from any breaks on tax feedback from the revenue of our special events. Maybe THEN, you awaken!Add to Technorati Favorites