Inconvenient truths, we need more immigration and Arizona crimes are down

Forbes Magazine, counts among it's readership one of the highest percentages of millionaires. It is put out by Steven Forbes, long time conservative and Advocate for the flat tax. We don't have a million of anything, so why would we read "Forbes"?

Because, it validates our contention that when you want to know the truth, when you want to know what is really going on, screw the talking heads and the legislative puppets, FOLLOW THE MONEY!

People may chose not to read the rest of this post. Possibly out of fear that their prejudices are not justified!

Emphasis ours:

Forbes Magazine dated June 28, 2010
Opening America's borders is morally right, economically beneficial--and would even make America safer.
Eight years ago Oscar risked his life to reach America--illegally. Now he works 17 hours a day, 6 days a week in a bar in Miami's South Beach. He earns $3.85 an hour plus up to $100 a night in tips, sending home $400 a month to his family in Honduras. That funds his three kids' education, supports his mother and has enabled his wife to open a small store.
Oscar's life is tough. Now 30, he hasn't seen his family since he left Honduras. "Not having documents is suffocating. Businesses exploit you. You're always hiding," he says. "We need immigration reform. I sent an e-mail to our President." Your President? "Yes, he's my President. I love this country. If I could, I'd help this country get back on its feet." Oscar seems like the kind of guy America would want to hang on to. "I'm afraid of being deported, so my money is hidden," he says. "Otherwise I could put it in the bank to invest."
The U.S. is already home to some 12 million illegal immigrants, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. What to do with them--and with America's broken immigration system--is suddenly back at the top of the political agenda. Tempers are flaring after Arizona passed a draconian new law clamping down on illegal immigrants. President Obama persists with failed policies: erecting a fence along the Mexican border, sending National Guard troops to police it and wishing the issue would go away. Isn't it finally time for a radical rethink?
America should open its borders. Anyone who wants to immigrate to the U.S. should be allowed to, with the bare minimum of bureaucracy. Those already here illegally should be legalized. Open borders would make this country richer, more entrepreneurial--and more secure.
Critics object that lawbreaking illegals should not be rewarded. Yet for the most part these people's only crime is wanting to work hard to earn a better life for themselves and their children--the epitome of the American Dream. They do the jobs that most people spurn: pick fruit, wash dishes, pack meat. Without them America would grind to a halt.
Government efforts to stop migration have mainly driven it underground--at huge financial and human cost. Billions of dollars are wasted annually in a futile effort to seal an inherently unsealable border. More people have died trying to cross over from Mexico in the past decade than were killed on Sept. 11. Ever tougher measures won't work: Documents can be forged or stolen, people smuggled, officials bribed. Even with a shoot-to-kill policy, people got across the Berlin Wall.
Ending this senseless and unwinnable war would make America more secure, not less--instead of chasing harmless migrants, federal agents could concentrate on identifying and neutralizing homegrown and foreign terrorists. Above all, opening the border would bring huge economic benefits.
The case for free migration follows logically from that for free trade. Just as it's beneficial for goods and services to flow freely across borders, so, too, the people who produce them. Freer trade has made Americans much richer over the past 50 years; unfreezing labor flows could deliver vast gains over the next 50. According to some estimates, removing immigration controls could more than double the size of the world economy.
Heather Mac Donald worries (Say No To Reform) that newcomers are poorer and less educated than Americans. But that's precisely why they're willing to do low-paid, low-skilled jobs that Americans shun. Many low-skilled jobs can't be mechanized or globalized. The elderly can't be cared for by a robot. Lawn care can't be outsourced to India.
Fears that immigrants threaten American workers are mostly misplaced. Just as working women haven't deprived men of jobs, immigrants create jobs as well as filling them--both when they spend their wages and in complementary lines of work. Mexican construction workers, for instance, create jobs for Americans selling building materials, as well as spending their wages at Wal-Mart ( WMT - news - people ).
Nor do immigrants depress wages, since they rarely compete directly with native-born Americans for jobs. On the contrary, their efforts often complement one another. A foreign nanny may enable an American doctor to return to work more quickly after childbirth, where hardworking foreign nurses and cleaners enhance her productivity. Research by Gianmarco Ottaviano of Bologna University and UC, Davis' Giovanni Peri found that the influx of foreign workers between 1990 and 2004 raised native-born Americans' wages by 2%. Only one in ten--high school dropouts--lost slightly, by 1%. All Americans benefited from higher capital returns, cheaper goods and services and faster productivity growth.
Immigrant diversity and dynamism stimulates new ideas and businesses. Migrants are a self-selected minority who tend to be young, hardworking and enterprising. Like starting a new business, migrating is risky, and hard work is needed to make it pay off. Immigrants are 30% more likely than native-born Americans to start their own business.
That number would surely be higher if we legitimized their status. People who lack formal property and business rights can't get a bank loan to start a business or ink legally enforceable contracts. Legalizing them would unleash their entrepreneurial energies and swell tax revenues.
Exceptional individuals who generate brilliant new ideas are often migrants. Instead of following conventional wisdom, they tend to see things differently, and as outsiders they are more determined to succeed. Nearly a quarter of America's Nobel laureates were born abroad. Nearly half of Silicon Valley's venture capital-funded startups were cofounded by immigrants. No one could have guessed when he arrived at age 6 as a refugee from the Soviet Union that Sergey Brin would go on to cofound Google ( GOOG - news - people ). How many potential Brins does America turn away--and at what cost?
Many worry that if America opened its borders now, millions would come, the welfare burden would be unsustainable and society would collapse. Yet such fears are misplaced. Most people don't want to leave home at all, let alone forever. Since 2004 three rich European countries--Britain, Ireland, and Sweden--have allowed people in eight poor eastern European countries (notably Poland) to come work there freely. All 75 million of those eastern Europeans could have moved, yet only 1 million did--and half have already gone home.
And not just Forbes. Smart Money also thinks it might be a good idea and best for our economy. Read the following:

Immigration Helps the Markets



Imagine you live on a remote island with just 30 other people. You have a small economy — a few farmers, a doctor, a couple of people making clothes, a shopkeeper, even some lazy slackers. One day 10 new people get shipwrecked onto the island. They’re peaceful and hard working with a variety of abilities: One guy is skilled at fixing houses, another is an excellent cook or mechanic. Some are good managers, one invents new technology and others are just good at following assignments.

In America, this would be called an immigration crisis, and politicians on our little island would immediately send troops to the beach to prevent these “illegals” from coming ashore, lowering wages, “stealing” jobs and generally ruining the country. 
Yet if you care about your life, it is unquestionably in your best interest to let them stay. 
In a free economy, more people means more new products, services, inventions, scientific discoveries, industries and wealth. Because it allows even greater specialization of labor, instead of one doctor, you’d have three — each focusing on becoming experts at specific kinds of medicine. An additional engineer might specialize
  in more efficient building techniques, freeing up others who previously laid brick to create new jobs and new types of wealth. The pie isn’t redistributed…but grown.


If we shrunk America’s population back to colonial times, would any of us be able to buy an Apple (AAPL: 259.62, +1.53, +0.59%) iPhone, or Blue Coconut Slush from Sonic (SONC: 7.84, +0.21, +2.75%)? Considering more than half the population toiled away on farms, not likely. Today less than 2% of the population works in farming, yet the productivity wrought from specialization of labor means our wealth (and food supply) has grown exponentially. Would our lives really be better had Alexander Graham Bell, an “illegal immigrant” back in 1873, been unable to scale the barbed wire fence at the Canadian border? 
I know of no other issue, not health care, taxes or finance, which elicits such emotion, vitriol and ire.
But along with eliminating the entitlement state, open immigration in the United States would be an unquestionable boon to the economy. Because there is no limit on the amount of wealth and prosperity that can be created, we should be just as glad to have more immigrants coming to this country as we should be to have more shipwrecked workers on our deserted island. This applies to Mexicans as well as to other workers – many of them highly skilled – who are senselessly prohibited from coming here to produce.

There is nothing objectively criminal about being a foreigner, working at a construction site, or renting an apartment. Beyond screening procedures for known threats, Islamic terrorists, those with infectious diseases or other obvious risks, the doors to this country – and the ability to work and live here –should be open.

But WAIT what about our wives ans daughters who will be raped and plundered by hordes of invisible hispanics swarming across the border?  Well we checked in with the Truth O Meter:

The debate about immigration often involves discussions about whether illegal immigrants cause more crime.

The topic came up on ABC's
This Week on July 4, 2010, when Al Hunt, the executive editor in Washington for Bloomberg News, criticized John McCain for the Republican senator's comments about crime in Arizona.

McCain had explained his shift on immigration by saying, "The violence is incredibly high. The human smuggling and drug cartels are at a level of violence where 25,000 -- 23,000 Mexican citizens have been murdered in the last few years, 5,000 already this year. There's a level of violence which has increased to a significant degree, which makes the situation far different than it was in 2007" when the Senate last considered immigration reform.

He added, "But I invite the president to come to the border, and he can see for himself the absolute necessity of getting our border secure before more violence spills over onto our side of the border... It is not the same as it was in 2007. And the people deserve not to have our ranchers murdered, not to have a deputy shot by a drug smuggler with an AK-47 in Pinal County. The situation has dramatically changed, and the statistics absolutely back that up."

During the roundtable discussion on
This Week, Hunt told host Jake Tapper: "I must say, John McCain, in his interview with you, Jake, that was extraordinary to say that crime is up there. He's talking about Mexico. Crime is down in Arizona. Every single academic study that's been done shows that immigrants commit fewer crimes."

It is unclear whether McCain was suggesting that crime in Arizona was up because of illegal immigrants, but we were curious about Hunt's claim that crime in Arizona -- a state that ranks 6th for the estimated population of illegal immigrants -- was down.

Because Hunt did not specify the types of crime, we'll examine all types.

We checked the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports as well as data from Arizona's Department of Public Safety and found Hunt is correct that crime is down.

From 2004 to 2008, data from Arizona's DPS shows a 23 percent drop in the overall crime rate, while the FBI's statistics on Arizona show a 19 percent drop. Although the FBI has not released all of the data on 2009, Arizona's statistics show the crime rate in 2009 dropped an additional 12 percent.

"Crime has been going down, overall, in Arizona," said Tony LaRose, an associate professor of criminology at the University of Tampa, but he noted it has been a national trend for the past almost three decades."

The trend holds even if you only measure violent crime, which James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University, said is the type of crime people think of when discussing crime and illegal immigrants. The violent crime rate fell 11 percent from 2004 to 2008 in Arizona.

Whether or not Hunt was correctly interpreting McCain's comments is outside of the scope of the claim, but he is right about Arizona crime going down. So we rate Hunt's claim True.



Now we are inclined not be so generous. After all if they entered the country illegally while others have waited on endless lists. So we do we believe there should be somes sort of consequence.

And just has soon as we take care of the legislators, bankers, corporate heads,and bureaucratic
scam artists we should have a discussion with them.

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Miscellaneous indicators of the growing Kleptocracy

Following are excerpts of a few articles we bookmarked with the hope of expanding on them into a larger post.

Alas, so much insanity, so little time. Please Note when someone as insane as this writer see's the wackiness of our current state of affairs, you know things are screwed.

We intentionally started of with the legislators tasked with solving the economic crises we are in betting against the USA. Freaking Traitors that need to be, umm what can I say that can't misconstrued as advocating for a revolution.

Oh wait a second, we DO advocate for a revolution!


Even Members Of Congress Bet Against Falling Markets (AIG, PST, TBT)



Posted on 05/04/10 at 5:12pm 

Some members of the Congress made risky bets with their own money on those US stocks and bonds which were likely to fall in the run up to the financial crisis. According to The Wall Street Journal's analysis of Congressional disclosures, investment accounts of 13 members of the Congress or their spouses reveal that they made bearish investments in 2008 throughexchange traded funds-portfolios that trade like stocks and mirror an index.
Apart from being highly leveraged funds, they use derivatives and other techniques to monitor daily moves of the index. However, there is no evidence that suggests these members of the Congress and their spouses exploited their position by using privileged information or failed to follow rules on disclosures. According to the Congressional rules, lawmakers and their families are allowed to invest in—or bet against—publicly held companies they oversee through committee assignments, as well as broader markets or indices.
Earlier, some of these legislators strongly criticized practices of short selling, or bets on securities which are likely to decline. In February, Senator Johnny Isakson argued against these practices by saying, “We don't need those speculating in the marketplace to take unfair advantage of the values of equities that are owned by Americans all over this country for the sake of making a buck on a short sale.”
But contrary to his comment, Isakson himself put money on a short-sale. Records show, on Oct. 8 and 9, 2008—as the Federal Reserve was bailing out American International Group Inc. (NYSEAIG), an account held by Sen. Isakson showed that he had invested more than $30,000 in ProShares UltraShort 7-10 Year Treasury (ETF) (NYSE: PST) and ProShares UltraShort 20+ Year Treasury (ETF) (NYSE: TBT). These were “leveraged short” funds, designed to gain $2 for each $1 drop in the daily value of U.S. Treasury bonds. However, Isakson denied any involvement in short-selling. He said that his account was professionaly managed by Morgan Stanley Smith Barney; hence he had no control over it. "They make those decisions and I report what they do," he said. "I put money away in my career so I can hopefully retirne one day," he added.
Isakson said that he does support legislation to limit short selling but opposes the idea of a complete ban on it. Reacting over this issue, former Rep. Joel Hefley said, such trading involving members of the Congress or spouses “doesn't look real great when the economy is tanking and people are blaming the government.”


The judge who overturned deepwater drilling bans allowing BP to resume oil extraction in the Gulf of Mexico, had shares in Transoceanand other firms in the industry, it was revealed today. June 23, 09
Yesterday, a Louisiana-based judge Martin Feldman ruled that Barack Obama's six-month drilling moratorium in the Gulf was unjustifiedbecause it assumed that all deepwater drilling was as dangerous as BP's.
The White House promised an immediate appeal.
Meanwhile environmental groups have said Feldman's ruling may have to be rescinded because of the possible conflict of interests.
Feldman's most recent financial disclosure forms show that he was paid dividends from his shares in Transocean, the firm that owned the Deepwater oil rig that exploded in April killing 11 oil workers, prompting America's worst environmental disaster.
The forms, which relate to the calendar year 2008, also show that he sold shares in Halliburton, which was also involved in the disaster.
Feldman's other interests included Ocean Energy, Quicksilver Resources, Prospect Energy, Peabody Energy, Pengrowth Energy Trust, Atlas Energy Resources, and Parker Drilling

Looking for work? Unemployed need not apply from CNN Mpney june16, 09



NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The last thing someone who is unemployed needs to be told is that they shouldn't even apply for the limited number of job openings that are available. But some companies and recruiters are doing just that.
Employment experts say they believe companies are increasingly interested only in applicants who already have a job.
But even if companies don't spell out in a job listing that they won't consider someone who currently doesn't have a job, experts said that unemployed applicants are typically ruled out right off the bat.


World's Rich Got Richer in 2009 Despite Recession June 23, 09


A stock market rebound helped the world's ranks of millionaires climb 17 percent to 10 million, while their collective wealth surged 19 percent to $39 trillion, nearly recouping losses from the financial crisis, according to the latest Merrill Lynch-Capgemini world wealth report.
The report found that investor confidence in advisers and regulators remains shaken. The rich are actively managing their investments, seeking customized advice and demanding full disclosure about the securities they buy.

Loss of Jobless Benefits Could Lower Unemployment Rate cnbc june 30, 2010



  Economists say the Senate's rejection last week of yet another extension of jobless benefits could actually cause more people to quit looking for work, adding to the already record high numbers that have left the labor force since the economic downturn began in 2007.
It could also further slow the economic recovery because of the loss of income for the millions of American who have been receiving jobless benefits.
Nearly 1.1 million people were classified as "discouraged workers" in May who were not actively trying to find a job, just below the all-time high of 1.2 million in February.
SEC Limits Political Gifts After Pay-to-Play Scandals

june 20, 2010


The SEC and New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo have investigated state pension-fund corruption for more than a year. Indictments and civil complaints stemming from the probes depict officials who let political and personal

relationships trump merit in deciding who should be entrusted with retirement funds.



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Links for veterans

We Received an e-mail with a number of links of we felt that might be of value to veterans. So it was like this question mark goes of in our heads wondering why we have not posted this info before now.

So now we do and our apologies for an error of omission.

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Wakulla County Patriot Guard Escort tues july 13

Spec 4 Richard Lee Ruis
US ARMY
Wakulla/Crawfordville, FL
13 JULY 10

The family of Spec 4 Richard Lee Ruis, US ARMY, age 61, has invited the Patriot Guard to honor their hero. Richard is the stepfather to two soldiers we have welcomed home from the war in the Middle East, Shawn and Jamie Ridley.

We will stage at the Suzanna's Country Buffet restaurant on Hwy 363 at Wakulla Station at 1:30 p.m., Tuesday, July 13. We will proceed to the family home with KSU at 2:00 p.m. to escort the family to Bevis Funeral Home in Crawfordville. If there is time we will establish a flag line until the service begins at 3:00 p.m. There will be no burial serviceAdd to Technorati Favorites

VETERANS WITH POST TRAUMATIC STRESS-rules to be eased

Fromm CNN NEWS

The Department of Veterans Affairs is making it easier for veterans who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder to get benefits, a development President Barack Obama calls a "long overdue step."

In his weekly address Saturday, Obama said Veterans Affairs will launch new rules for easing PTSD documentation requirements starting next week. Current department rules require veterans to document events like firefights or bomb explosions that could have caused the disorder. Such documentation was often time-consuming and difficult, and sometimes was impossible. Under the new rules a veteran need show only that he or she served in a war and performed a job during which events could have happened that could cause the disorder.

"... for years, many veterans with PTSD who have tried to seek benefits -- veterans of today's wars and earlier wars -- have often found themselves stymied. They've been required to produce evidence proving that a specific event caused their PTSD. And that practice has kept the vast majority of those with PTSD who served in non-combat roles, but who still waged war, from getting the care they need," Obama said. "Well, I don't think our troops on the battlefield should have to take notes to keep for a claims application. And I've met enough veterans to know that you don't have to engage in a firefight to endure the trauma of war. So we're changing the way things are done."

Under the new rules, no benefits will be passed along until a Veterans Affairs psychiatrist or psychologist confirms that a veteran actually suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder. Department officials say that should reduce the risk of fraudulent claims.

One congressional analysis reportedly put the cost of the new changes at $5 billion.
A senior department official said the cost is "relatively small" because under the older, much longer process, most vets eventually were granted benefits. The new process, while likely granting benefits to more veterans, will be quicker and easier and therefore less costly per case, officials said.

Obama says the new process "will help veterans not just of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, but generations of their brave predecessors who proudly served and sacrificed in all our wars.
"It's a step that proves America will always be here for our veterans, just as they've been there for us. We won't let them down. We take care of our own."
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ABATE of Florida elections raises more questions among members, we hear ya!


Since the reacent Board of Directors elections we have received a number of e-mails from members unhappy with with what they perceive as unfair practices.

It appears the info in a previous post, is not evidence only a few have done the math to demonstrate how the deck is stacked against any opposition to the current sitting President/lobbyist and cronies.

We have received a number of e-mails pointing out the same staked deck math, along with a number of questions we have asked before, such as just how long is a life member kept on the rolls as members after they have died?

Besides questions however, we have also been getting some fairly revealing insight as to just what a pack of lies (in our opinion of course) the current foundation of ABATE of Florida rests on.

There is no way we can print all that we have received. Nor is there any way we can prove or disprove  them without revealing names we chose not to reveal.

What we can and will do is print some that we believe, based on our own experience and previous posts, raise pertinent issues and have at a certain amount of credibility based on info being received by more than one member.

What we will not do, as we have refrained from doing in the past, is print the names of female members referred to as "a slut" by the president/lobbyist of ABATE of Florida. We have included names of current and former board members who do know the truth, but for some reason are to afraid
make it public.

Also since some of the e-mails received contained e-mails from other individuals we have decided not to use any names as providers of information.

As usual, any member who has information contradicting that which we print is free to send it to us.
Please try to send something more substantial than, "that ain't so!"

We have received at least a number of communications regarding the 09 FLorida legislative session, SB968, Senator Garcia and Representative Evers. This was the session where the President/lobbyist of ABATE of Florida blamed this writer and others for the failure of a "poorly written stiffer penalties bill".

What we have since learned, is that at various times during that session the President/lobbyist of ABATE of FLorida could not be found or contacted. That on at least one occasion he stated he was not the lobbyist stating that two other individuals were the lobbyist. That he engaged in temper tantrums whereby he accused other board members of going behind his back and trying to screw him over. More than one current BOD member and at least two former BOD members (since resigned) knows the truth of these matters as they witnessed it.

However they have not only elected to keep their mouths shut keeping this information from the general membership of ABATE of FLorida, but  stand by silently as people who were not to blame for James D. Reichenbachs failures were and are  blamed.

We find this a sad commentary on individuals who represent an organization that professes to be the voice of all Florida Bikers. This writer for one feels that most Florida Bikers have more integrity and balls than to stand sheepishly by while their "leader" blatantly misrepresents the truth. In our mind, doing so makes them as guilty as their leader and part and parcel of the decline in reputation and membership of ABATE of Florida.

The following is but an example:





































Which leaves us with a couple questions:

If James D. Reichenbach is representing himself (which we have always, somewhat tongue in cheek stipulated) and the other two individuals are "ABATEs lobbyist," Why is James D, Reichenbach being paid and the other two aren't?
If James D. Reichenbach "is" the lobbyist how is it that he is unresponsive to other BOD members trying to do his job in his absence?
We should point out that during this time Mr. Reichenbach had a death in the family.  However the type of behavior exhibited above has been exhibited before and after said occurrence.  It also demonstrates a lack of professionalism that I am sure has been noticed at the capital.
What hold does James D. Reichenbach have over those who are keeping their mouth shut allowing others to take the blame for his failures?
Does it having anything to do with his position with the National Coalition of Motorcyclists/Aid to injured Motorcyclists?

This from another member (Emphasis ours):

Mostly what ABATE needs is a reporting guideline. I have also argued that a "small" committee be established to interact with the Lobbyist. This would allow for a review of bills that ABATE wants to "officially" support or not, and require that bills to be "introduced" by ABATE go through a review of this committee. This would keep a Lobbyist from introducing a bill without our knowledge. This committee would need to be close-lipped as well if "inside" information is discussed, which happens frequently in the Lobbying World. If the lobbyist is smart, a lot of this information will not be directly discussed except in generalities. The committee would be made up of the State President and VP, plus an odd number of representative Chapter Presidents. My suggested example was two from the largest Chapters and three elected by the delegation. Danny Fish was interested in discussing this idea more, but Doc shot it down in a heartbeat. It was never openly discussed at a BOD meeting.

Related to the incident at the ABATE campground in Daytona this year:

...........the mediation panel was held Saturday. Other than the two principals, everyone else received and accepted apologies. Between the two principals, apparently things got heated and they had to be restrained. The mediation broke up with nothing solved between them. I was told the victim plans to take it to the next level but didn't hear what that entailed..............

and

Last I heard, this was going to be handled in the courts

Related to money questions consistently asked, never clearly answered????

He receives $50K per year as Lobbyist and receives a 1099MISC annually for taxes.
He receives devices and reimbursements for certain expenses - cell phone, pager (at one time), travel expenses (which is muddied up because of being President), etc. - from ABATE
He receives additional monies directly from Chapters for Lobbying expenses.

and

The accounting for the "additional" monies... however, it has been pointed out that the individual Chapters that give these donations must also account for this through the Chapter's bank account and that the State is supposed to issue a separate 1099MISC for those funds just as though it were a payment to a Band at a party making over $600 per year. You will notice that these additional funds are always provided by check and not cash, so it would be hard to hide from an actual audit. Keep in mind that just a year ago, we went through a very extensive audit and there were problems with 1099MISC report errors. I have never heard what all the errors were, but examples were given as bands, other vendors at parties, and the motorcycle give-a-way.

We were aware of IRS citation of the failure to pay taxes on the motorcycle. As to 1099MISC report errors, we are unaware of any that were released to the general public or general membership.

As to receiving checks from chapters:

.........was that he never keeps any of the checks as it would mean he'd have to report them and that would put him into a more serious reporting requirement. None of the checks ever go into the state bank account(s)...................

We ourselves have witnessed checks in large amounts being presented to the President/lobbyist of ABATE. Often with the declaration "to be used as the lobbyist see's fit". Being the cynic we are we are fairly sure that if the check is for less than $10,000.00 and cashed at the bank on which it is drawn it is just possible it might escape an audit. Especially when there are problems with chapter reporting?

As we have posted previously there is discussion in ABATE of Florida about reviewing the by-laws. However it seems some are concerned re: the process as it is proposed that it violates Robert Rules of Order which the bylaws dictate the organization must follow. That comes as know surprise to us as we ourselves have witnessed violations of by laws and Roberts Rules of order (at least as they were written when we were a member).

At the July Training meeting, Doc told the President's meeting the board was considering setting up the standing committee to review all the incoming bylaw suggestions. When we got to the August meeting, he'd already appointed his lackeys and the delegates ahd no chance to appoint one of our own...........authority to set up a standing committee because he had none according to the bylaws. The proper way would have been to follow one of the four methods in RONR and set up a standing committee using RONR OR change the bylaws first.

And then I will leave the following up to others to interpret.

Article XII Section 13 No chapter shall host, sponsor or financially contribute to any event or function that does not maintain 100% of its income to benefit ABATE of FLORIDA, Inc. for a period of one (1) calendar year from the time it receives its charter.

Actually we will comment. How does this relate to a poker run to benefit veterans? Is this how a chapter probates?

We could go on, however one of the problems that we see is that many of what is sent us regards issues we have already posted about over the years. Either here or at Bruce an rc's Biker Forum.

What we believe happens is as older members become disgusted and quit, there are few left to educate the newer members as to the history. It would seem that those older members who are left have some sort of personal vested interest in sweeping things under the rug and maintaing the veil of secrecy for the sole purpose of keeping a little dictator in power.

We have to ask ourselves why? What do they get out of it? Is it their own little chapter kingdom? Is it for fear of losing an identity they never had?

Those are questions we can not answer and are not really of our concern as pertains to each individual member of ABATE of FLorida.

Our concern is, as it is with with the Robber Barons of Governments and Corporations who take our tax dollars with one hand and screw us with the other.

With ABATE of Florida however lives are at stake. To date they have received taxpayer dollars to be used for motorcycle safety. They can not call themselves a safety and rights organization as they could not get state money for "motorcycle rights". As to motorcycle safety I challenge ABATE of Florida to provide a statistical study using commonly accepted research methods to demonstrate that their efforts have done anything more than create an illusion that "something" is being done to save lives.


Because I would submit to you that the money going to ABATE of FLorida is taking money in the name of dead motorcyclist to enrich themselves!

Some links that may lead you to look for more links:

ABATE of Florida, what the hell.........what we have been telling you is what
SB968
Wheres the Money Doc? President ABATE of Florida
Is ABATE of FLorida imploding-are the lies coming home to roost?
Is ABATE of Florida being rewarded for failure? Are we being ripped off again?
open letter to ABATE of FLorida-Back it up or SHUT UP!
ABATE of Florida finally sees the light HB 137 is very Bad law.
One letter from a politician (Cantera) One from lobbyist (Reichenbach)?? X-Files???
Former Whitesands Chapter President of ABATE of Florida Speaks out
ABATE of Florida President and lobbyist and NCOM chairman, Violates State Financial Disclosure law
Wheres the Money Doc? President ABATE of Florida
A must read for every ABATE of Florida member

A number of these go back as far 2008 or further. We have included post by persons other than ourselves.  Searching this site  Bruce an rc's Biker Forum. will also help.  The post above are only a sampling and more can be found by searching the labels (in alphabetical order) below or using the search box using terms such ABATE of FLorida, ABATE of florida lobbyist, etc. or searching the archives.

Some of the posts above have links that take you to other links that either validate or expand on information regarding the totalitarianism and lies of ABATE of Florida.

Well respected Bikers and MRO's (such as Bikers of Lessor Tolerance).

So why is it you don't hear about it in the fluff rags that pass for Biker Publications these days.

We believe the best way to find information in todays time is not to really on traditional news sources, but to "follow the money", see:

ABATE pimpin for Richard Lester?

We are sure that in most Biker Rags you have seen the full page glossy ads for NCOM/AIM.  Those ads are not cheap!

Now pretend you are a Magazine editor. Now pretend that you are presented with a story that reflects badly on one OF THE OFFICERS of your most dependable sources of income.  WOULD YOU PRINT IT?  In these days of hard times?

It is a sad reflection of the times when BIKER's, paragons of independence, the stereotype of bad ass, the wave at you as your going down the road because we are all brothers road warriors, either stick their freaking heads in the sand or buy into Harley marketing ploy "screw it lets ride!"

Only in such a world can SMURF become KING!

Now, lets all sit around and sing, He Ain't Heavy, He's my Brother

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